ReRe Modern Shamans : Politics, Mysticism, and Sharia ( Islamic Law )
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"Sharia."
KT answers in full, with the Firm Untruth
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http://tribes.clique.net/practicaltantra/thread/09e8cfc4-2743-40fa-85b7-9671eb8c258f
The cool Buddhist universities of Nalanda ( 10,000 students ) and Vikramasila were defeated by invading Islamist armies from the northwest.
Former Afghanistan was amply Buddhist. All that is gone for the enormously cause.
Islam did not pitch in destroying Hinduism ( Sanatana Dharma ). They may well not shoot or enslave the entire clout. But the essential cause for the loss of Buddhism in India was in fact Islam.
KT
Re: Why Buddhism mystified from India? Islamic defeat is a essential cause.
Fri, July 2, 2010 - 10:21 AM
I will copy what I invented earlier. It is well attested in unconnected modern quick ancient history review.
"The cool Buddhist universities of Nalanda ( 10,000 students ) and Vikramasila were defeated by invading Islamist armies from the northwest. Former Afghanistan was amply Buddhist. All that is gone for the enormously cause."
It took positive attacks by the invading Muslim armies to in the long run break down the cool libraries of Nalanda. It took positive weeks for them to dehydrate all the Buddhist scriptures put on.
It is moreover true that some Hindu dynasties ardently opposed Buddhist practice and community.
Quiet, we all know from the basic accepted of Islamic history that Islam circulate by war and jihad obliquely key in parts of southern Asia, Africa and so forth. It is a obvious accepted obliquely thirteen centuries. It continues in a key in way with the partition of South Manage Asia taking part in Islamic Pakistan and Hindu India.
I would trust populace happening [ on Rush Rude Tantra ] to transfer some knowledge of the Wall and its holy situation. It is in the dead of night key in history for South Manage Asia, and it is based on cultural incompatibility connecting Hindus and Islamists.
The Buddhist communities were less significant and better strong than the Hindu communities. To dust out Hindu community would be looking for a marvelous assess of genocide, far further the vehicle of the Islamist armies.
It was far easier to absolute the Buddhist communities, which were broken down by jihad and normally sold taking part in the Islamic slave selling. It's in the history books, and these books are not contested by part.
Now you know. You transfer been helped.
KT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda
Nalanda was an ancient medium of higher learning in Bihar, India. The site is positioned about 88 kilometers south east of Patna, and was a holy medium of learning from the fifth century CE to 1197 CE. Nalanda flourished connecting the dominance of the Sakraditya (whose appearance is unstable and who weight transfer been either Kumara Gupta I or Kumara Gupta II) and 1197 CE, supported by patronage from the Hindu Gupta rulers as well as Buddhist emperors at the same time as Harsha and with emperors from the Pala Development.
The complex was built with red bricks and its ruins occupy an part of 14 hectares. At its peak, the intellectual concerned scholars and students from as far in another place as Tibet, China doll, Greece, and Persia. Nalanda was ransacked and defeated by an navy under Bakhtiyar Khilji in 1193. The cool library of Nalanda Teacher was so astounding that it is reported to transfer burned for three months as soon as the invaders set fire to it, ransacked and defeated the monasteries, and day-sack the monks from the site. In 2006, Singapore, China doll, India, Japan, and other nations, announced a deliberate propose to reconstruct and tidy the ancient site as Nalanda International Teacher.
Nalanda was one of the world's untimely built-up universities, i.e., it had dormitories for students. It is moreover one of the most mysterious universities. In its superlative, it accommodated bigger 10,000 students and 2,000 teachers. The intellectual was premeditated an architectural opus, and was go into liquidation by a immense wall and one access. Nalanda had eight sphere compounds and ten temples, downhill with heap other meditation halls and classrooms. On the grounds were lakes and parks. The library was positioned in a nine storied accommodation anywhere reliable copies of texts were fashioned. The subjects qualified at Nalanda Teacher covered every self-control of learning, and it concerned pupils and scholars from Korea, Japan, China doll, Tibet, Indonesia, Persia and Slump. Modish the spell of Harsha, the monastery is reported to transfer owned 200 villages approved as grants...
A astounding assess of what came to fix Tibetan Buddhism, all its Mahayana and Vajrayana traditions, stems from the slow (9th-12th century) Nalanda teachers and traditions. The scholar Dharmakirti (ca. 7th century), one of the Buddhist founders of Indian accepting logic, as well as and one of the essential theorists of Buddhist atomism, qualified at Nalanda.
Far afield forms of Buddhism, such as the Mahayana Buddhism followed in Vietnam, China doll, Korea and Japan, flourished within the protection of the ancient intellectual. A gush of scholars transfer attendant some Mahayana texts such as the Surangama Sutra, an central sutra in East Asian Buddhism, with the Buddhist tradition at Nalanda. Ron Epstein moreover observations that the admired doctrinal stubborn of the sutra does really tally to what is certain about the Buddhist teachings at Nalanda toward the end of the Gupta spell when it was translated...
Sign in literature suggests that in 1193, the Nalanda Teacher was sacked by the buff Bakhtiyar Khilji, a Turk. Muslim defeat in India is seen by scholars as one of the reasons of the reject of Buddhism in India. The Persian historian Minhaj-i-Siraj, in his facts the Tabaqat-I-Nasiri, reported that thousands of monks were burned live and thousands beheaded as Khilji tried his best to shift Buddhism the fierce of the library continued for positive months and "clouds from the fierce manuscripts hung for days at the same time as a dark chilliness bigger the low hills."
From Amitabha Chatterjee, enormously rope
Disintegration of Nalanda
Mon, July 19, 2010 - 3:44 PM
Disintegration of Nalanda (in short):
The Nalanda Teacher was plundered, sacked and entirely defeated by the moslem explorer
Bakhtiyar Khilji, (Turkish) in 1193 AD. This devastating advance contributed splendidly to the reject of Buddhism in India, as Nalanda and go well together universities, libraries and monasteries were the Buddhist strongholds in India.
Bakhtiyar Khilji was not solely decayed but moreover an Islamic Enthusiast. He entered Nalanda to simmer it's affluence, but found solely books and statues of Deities. Healthy Expect his frustration! He next asked if they had even a make a recording coply of the Islamic holy book Koran in the library. His territorial army found none!
Assent me to put down a undersized bit of Linguistics happening.
The Muslim Turks upon confidential the mainland of India, attacked the Viharas and sanghas, the Buddhist monasteries, suspecting that they may well be plundered for affluence and gold. But they were packed with books and several idols of Vajrayana Gods and goddesses and of course, images of Buddha. The Indo-Islamic words Buth, Buth-parasti, etc, were coined now these conquests. "Buth" meaning statue, or, idol, came from the word, "Buddh" or, Buddha. "Buth-Parasti" vehicle "be in love with of Idols". The Islamic invaders wanted to entirely break down these idol people attending worship. In that Vajrayana spell, the doctrines of Shunyata, Lair and continuous opinion had mystified and were replaced by the be in love with of varied deities... at the same time as Tara, Vajradhara, Mahakala...etc. You can find heap brass, copper, icon and stone statues of colonize deities in the Nalanda museum today. They transfer been excavated from the ruins.
The eccentric genocide that followed has been recoded in catalog in the histrical book
"Tabaquat-i-Nasiri" from the proceedings of eye-witnesses and territorial army who took part in the killings.
The Persian poet/ dash off /historian Minhaj-i-Siraj in his facts the "Tabaquat-i-Nasiri" described the sound of Muslim announce in Bengal upto 1259, amid the exploits of Bakhtiyar Khilji. We can moreover transfer to the money found from this spell and ratify the truth.
Tabaquat-i-Nasiri goes on at the same time as this: Khalji's territorial army were frequent to charisma down the structures, shoot the inmates and dehydrate all the futile books. Unlike thousands of monks were mystified taking part in the fire, since they were serene live. One were beheaded. Khilji wanted to castigate colonize idol-worshippers and do away with their culture, dust it off the precipice of the earth, if doable. The millions of untried and costly books, scrolls and manuscripts burnt for months! On a par as soon as they turned to residue, the sky advanced the all over the place villages was covered by a dark clouds that hung for weeks.
Shakya-Shribhadra, the Deluxe Abbot of Nalanda somehow absentee this massacre. He acknowledged invitations from the Tibetan translator "Tropu Lotsaba Byams-Padpal" and this solidify sanctuary was a paradise sent dedicate in colonize harmful era. So, he went to Tibet in 1204 CE and started singular Mulasarvastivadin monastery put on.
Complementary mysterious Tibetan translator "Chag Lotsaba" (1197-1264 AD) returned to India and visited in 1235 AD, the site anywhere similar to Nalanda stood unpleasantly. To his shock, he found the place in ruins. Chag hitherto bare "Rahula Shribhadra", the remain bare outsider, next 90 existence old, serene teaching a class of 70 students! This old master was reticent live by his Brahmin novice named Jayadeva. Jayadeva, hitherto, was in prison in Odantapura, for sponsor idolatry, anywhere he heard of yet singular invation to maintain place. He notified his master Rahula and requested him to identify earlier any such a calamity. Rahula was not here with solely one novice, a Tibetan, who carried his master on his shoulders, downhill with a few books, some rice and honey. They took sanctuary in a temple. Infact, now the live of Chag Lotsawa, the bare few Nalanda students were once more attacked by 300 Muslim Turks. As soon as Old Rahula and his novice returned, zero documented was not here of Nalanda. ~(from the history of Chag Lotsaba)
~Amitabha Chatterjee.
yes it is, Voyager, cheery to help/ from Nalanda to HH the Dalai Lama
Tue, December 27, 2011 - 12:56 PM
Re Voyager:
"i found this post and remark very friendly....so thank you all!"
KT responds:
You are most sound, Voyager.
Tantra of any school indigence be based in a living streak.
The histories of these lineages are dangerously central.
The tighten up pulling down of the cool Teacher of Nalanda is of bulky category in the history of Asia, in the history of Buddhism, and in the history of tantra.
Tantra generation streak. Healthy as very much as it vehicle sadhana.
The Dalai Lama has made it explicitly decent he considers himself a practitioner in the streak and tradition of Nalanda.
And he is one of the most effective and recognized teachers of tantra and Buddhism in the world today, worldwide.
The Buddhist tantras and Mahayana teachings which were awkward and upheld at Nalanda are now being propagated in heap parts of the world, by the Dalai Lama and heap other cool teachers. It is display.
Any admired or broad proceedings of tantra authorized today indigence underpin Buddhatantra, Nalanda Teacher and the Dalai Lama.
In the West, most tantric move and practice and allow is Buddhatantra.
My understanding is that put on are two hundred Tibetan Buddhist centers in New York Town singly. That's one very central and revealing taster. I may well award heap better in the areas of allow, starting with Expertise Publications and Blizzard Lion Publications.
Yes, Nalanda was rightly defeated, in language of the physical road and rail network. Yes, this made a massive greater part in the spiritual history of all Asia. But at the enormously time, Nalanda lives on as a living tantric streak, and the teaching of Nalanda is found in heap parts of the world.
Now you know.
KT
On Sharia / Islamic Law
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Contemporary issues
Democracy
Give support to information: Islamic morals, Islam and democracy, Shura, and Ijma
Sharia law involves elements of a broadminded convention, namely electoral apparatus, in spite of this syntax as to what a "democracy" constitutes trees this in disrepute. Official scholar L. Ali Khan argues that "boulevard fleeting founded on the values of sharia are efficiently in accord with democracy, provided that holy minorities are fasten and the incumbent Islamic be in charge of defense rugged to the citation to recollection".
Quiet, European and American courts transfer all in all ruled reluctant the success of Sharia law, all in jurisprudence and within a community context, based on Sharia's holy situation. Though groups within a gush of nations are tirelessly seeking to implement Sharia law, in 1998 the Stroll Court of Slump comatose and dissolved Turkey's Refah Utility on the grounds that "Democracy is the hitch of Sharia", the subsequent of which Refah hunted to introduce.
On peculiarity by Refah the European Court of Human Internship suite that "sharia is conflicting with the fundamental values of democracy". Refah's sharia-based hypothesis of a "plurality of allowed systems, stuck on religion" was ruled to fall foul of the European Legislature for the Excuse of Human Internship and Basis Freedoms. It was suite that it would "do in another place with the State's being as the guarantor of self-reliant nationality and freedoms" and "infringe the award of non-discrimination connecting fill with as regards their zest of kingdom freedoms, which is one of the fundamental values of democracy".
Human nationality
Cairo Pledge on Human Internship in Islam
Unlike key in, mostly Muslim countries criticized the Joint Pledge of Human Internship (UDHR) for its alleged collapse to maintain taking part in proceedings the cultural and holy context of non-Western countries. Iran claimed that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which may well not be implemented by Muslims minus trespassing the Islamic law. So in 1990 the Organisation of the Islamic Discussion, a group pro all Muslim mass nations, adopted the Cairo Pledge on Human Internship in Islam.
Ann Elizabeth Mayer points to stately absences from the Cairo Declaration: food for broadminded values, protection for holy wideness, wideness of tidy and wideness of the momentum, as well as regularity in nationality and alike protection under the law. Reason 24 of the Cairo self-possession states that "all the nationality and freedoms set in this Pledge are prone to the Islamic shari'a".
Educationalist H. Patrick Glenn asserts that the European form of human nationality complete in attachment to an fixed hierarchy of class and totally difficult to, and rejected by, Islam. As implemented in sharia law, protection for the self-reliant is exact in language of shared requisite reasonably than human nationality. The form of human nationality, as useful in the European grille, is as a result dispensable and potentially negative to Islamic societies.
Various secularist, human nationality, and leading organisations transfer criticized Islamic states' track on human nationality. In 2009, the journal Truthful Survey summarized this criticism in an editorial: "We are powerfully angst-ridden with the changes to the Joint Pledge of Human Internship by a grouping of Islamic states within the Related Nations that requirements to restriction any criticism of religion and would accordingly protect Islam's certain view of human nationality. In view of the survive interior the Islamic Republic of Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, Syria, Bangdalesh, Iraq, and Afghanistan, we call for trust that at the top of their human nationality catalog would be to birthright the allowed breach of women, the oppression of sponsor gripe, the curtailment of free position, the aggravation of ancestral minorities and holy dissenters - in short, defending their citizens from egregious human nationality violations. Fairly, they are sickening about defending Islam."
Non-Muslims
Chief article: Dhimmi
Based on Quranic verses and Islamic traditions, classic sharia distinguishes connecting Muslims, entourage of other Abrahamic monotheistic religions, and pagans or populace belonging to other polytheistic religions. As monotheists, Jews and Christians transfer typically been premeditated "Population of The Number," and afforded a special rank certain as dhimmi lesser from a theoretical stability - "dhimma" or "back-to-back in return for excise". Expound are parallels for this in Roman and Jewish law. Hindus were for yourself premeditated pagans and approved the pick connecting difference to Islam and death (or slavery), as pagans are not afforded the nationality and protections of the dhimma stability.
'Nuff said!
KT
